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Franklin J March 18th, 2016 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by B SHEP (Post 1796713)
I posted that Walleye "did" well in the Salt River Chain - which they did very well. I said nothing about the current state of the Walleye fishery. To my knowledge, they are no longer being stocked, so I would imagine the fishery is not in the same state as it once was. This is not due to the fish not being able to survive the climate, but more-so due to the fact that they are no longer being stocked and reproduction is thought to be non-existent.

I can most certainly share my source with you on this topic along with everything else I post. Here is the link: http://www.azgfd.gov/w_c/research_walleye.shtml

Muskies do very, very well in reservoirs with ever changing water levels and less than favorable conditions. I find it odd that you do not believe Muskies would survive in the same lakes Striped Bass and Northern Pike survive. Like I posted earlier... The Salt River Chain would push the Muskies limits, but I think they would do find if they were protected during the warmer months.

Why would you want to destroy the 3 best bass lakes we have in this state.....you must be a ****ing snowbird meathunter....go back to ****ing Canada, Min-ne-sota, or where ever the duck you are from

Musky shore lunch 'eh



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B SHEP March 18th, 2016 08:11 PM

Franklin, I said nothing about stocking Muskies in all of the lakes. I also do not believe Muskies would destroy the lakes either. May I ask why you think that would happen?

Franklin J March 18th, 2016 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by B SHEP (Post 1796737)
Franklin, I said nothing about stocking Muskies in all of the lakes. I also do not believe Muskies would destroy the lakes either. May I ask why you think that would happen?

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James March 18th, 2016 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by B SHEP (Post 1796713)
I posted that Walleye "did" well in the Salt River Chain - which they did very well. I said nothing about the current state of the Walleye fishery. To my knowledge, they are no longer being stocked, so I would imagine the fishery is not in the same state as it once was. This is not due to the fish not being able to survive the climate, but more-so due to the fact that they are no longer being stocked and reproduction is thought to be non-existent.

I can most certainly share my source with you on this topic along with everything else I post. Here is the link: http://www.azgfd.gov/w_c/research_walleye.shtml

Muskies do very, very well in reservoirs with ever changing water levels and less than favorable conditions. I find it odd that you do not believe Muskies would survive in the same lakes Striped Bass and Northern Pike survive. Like I posted earlier... The Salt River Chain would push the Muskies limits, but I think they would do fine if they were protected during the warmer months.

You obviously did NOT read that article. Where in the world does it indicate walleye did well? Why do you think they no longer stock them?

Let me guess because it was sooooo successful that they didn't want every other state to get jealous?

James March 18th, 2016 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Franklin J (Post 1796729)
Why would you want to destroy the 3 best bass lakes we have in this state.....you must be a ****ing snowbird meathunter....go back to ****ing Canada, Min-ne-sota, or where ever the duck you are from

Musky shore lunch 'eh

Its Wisconsin - cheese curds are pretty good

B SHEP March 18th, 2016 08:31 PM

Oh I read the article alright. I read it with an open mind and a positive mood. That always allows you to take the best and the worst of every situation and walk away with something positive. In this case, there are absolutely no negatives. Stocking Walleye in Arizona was a great thing for our fishery and I'm sure those involved with the project had an absolute blast.

"Our findings indicate walleye in the Salt River reservoirs live to approximately 6 - 7 years of age, and reach up to 13 inches by the end of their first year, and 21 inches by the end of their third year of growth."

That is some pretty successful data if you ask me.

"Findings from this study enable managers to effectively stock and manage walleye in the Salt River reservoirs, thereby providing a unique angling experience to the state."

More signs of success.

Now we can take into account that people have caught some very large Walleye out of those waters.

Why are they no longer stocked? I'm sure there are a few reasons I am unaware of. I can take a wild guess like the rest of you and assume it might be due to the fact that there was not enough interest to keep the program alive.

James March 18th, 2016 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by B SHEP (Post 1796785)
Oh I read the article alright. I read it with an open mind and a positive mood. That always allows you to take the best and the worst of every situation and walk away with something positive. In this case, there are absolutely no negatives. Stocking Walleye in Arizona was a great thing for our fishery and I'm sure those involved with the project had an absolute blast.

"Our findings indicate walleye in the Salt River reservoirs live to approximately 6 - 7 years of age, and reach up to 13 inches by the end of their first year, and 21 inches by the end of their third year of growth."

That is some pretty successful data if you ask me.

"Findings from this study enable managers to effectively stock and manage walleye in the Salt River reservoirs, thereby providing a unique angling experience to the state."

More signs of success.

Now we can take into account that people have caught some very large Walleye out of those waters.

Why are they no longer stocked? I'm sure there are a few reasons I am unaware of. I can take a wild guess like the rest of you and assume it might be due to the fact that there was not enough interest to keep the program alive.

I still don't see anything which states walleye did well. In fact there's quite a bit of the article that you've chosen to ignore. Likely because it conflicts with your distorted view of reality.

So walleye survive in the salt for 6-7 years? How does that compare to other bodies of water? I seem to recall they usually live MUCH longer. Decades maybe?

You can't just keep making shit up.

B SHEP March 18th, 2016 08:50 PM

I like this idea...

By stocking pure Muskie in Apache Lake, we may find out if a fishable population will leave the lake by escaping through the dam.

Stocking Tiger Muskie in Canyon Lake might give us an idea if Tiger Muskie will leave a lake at a similar rate.

We will know which fish in Apache Lake and Canyon Lake are resident fish.

We will also know that both pure Muskie and Tiger Muskie found in Saguaro lake would not be resident fish.

This approach may influence a Muskie management plan of attack for similar lakes where escapement is possible. Survival in the lower Salt River will ultimately be non existent. I also would question the chance of survival in Saguaro Lake.

Of course Muskies should be stocked at a rate kept within reason and consideration to the existing fish community.

What do you think?

We all have our own and we all have opinions based on our own thoughts and ideas. I apologize for upsetting some of you. I just believe that there is still time for improvement. There are still ways we can add to something that is already great. We can accomplish a lot if we work together.

Florida Strain Largemouth Bass and Leech Lake Strain Muskie in the same body of water? Can you imagine the world record for both species coming out of Lake Pleasant after all of this? Can you imagine if Garret caught the Muskie on a purple worm and a "snowbird" (as in a person who visits Arizona over an extended period of time during a certain time of the year) caught the Bass on a 12 inch Weagle? That would be pretty awesome.

Delw March 18th, 2016 10:50 PM

I am trying to figure out if your totally clueless, dilutional, or just plain dumb.
But reguardless if you want any and all information on walleye. Do a search for the nick azwalleye aka jerry
Coolest man to ever walk this planet and the walleye guru of arizona he is the reason we have walleye in this state. Hes the one who made it happen.
Thelast walleye stocking that I remember was in 2014 and like 2million

Delw



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B SHEP March 18th, 2016 11:05 PM

That is good to hear. I love Walleye fishing. I have done a lot of Walleye fishing and guiding. The Walleye program is a complete success in my opinion - regardless if they reproduce or not.

B SHEP March 18th, 2016 11:21 PM

What do you think about this idea?

Stocking Muskie in Ashurst Lake can potentially create a trophy fish opportunity for anglers, biologists, and lake management programs. By stocking both pure Muskie and Tiger Muskie, anglers would have the opportunity to help collect data to go along with any possible netting that might take place in an effort to record growth rates and other information to help determine the status of this imaginary fishery we have been talking about all day. :bong:

Skunko! March 19th, 2016 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by B SHEP (Post 1796857)
What do you think about this idea?

Stocking Muskie in Ashurst Lake can potentially create a trophy fish opportunity for anglers, biologists, and lake management programs. By stocking both pure Muskie and Tiger Muskie, anglers would have the opportunity to help collect data to go along with any possible netting that might take place in an effort to record growth rates and other information to help determine the status of this imaginary fishery we have been talking about all day. :bong:

Theres only one fish allowed in asshurt lake and thats the endangered silver 6 inch rainbow.

B SHEP March 19th, 2016 12:30 PM

If you caught a Muskie in Arizona... would it make you happy, sad, or mad?

Delw March 19th, 2016 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by B SHEP (Post 1797049)
If you caught a Muskie in Arizona... would it make you happy, sad, or mad?

arent you a muskie guide up in Chicago area somewhere?



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B SHEP March 19th, 2016 01:10 PM

I live in Arizona. I have lived in Phoenix, Fountain Hills, Casa Grande, Gilbert, Coolidge, Hidden Valley, Mesa... I'm sure I'm missing one or two places... I probably went to school with someone you know.


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