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Old December 21st, 2003, 03:18 PM   #1
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Lets Talk Jigs this week

those who fish them lets hear what you have to say, or at least what info you will give out.

I (and I am sure others) would like to hear everything from the type of rod and line used to the type of bait, even include if you bounce them drag them or bang them on cliffs. I personally would like to hear from guys that actually fish them, not someone who has just read about using them

I am going to play with them at least 3 days this week, and I will use your ideas. More than likely I will be at pleasant all three days but I might swing up to sag or canyon to try them out also(very doubtful).

No you dont have to tell anyone your secret spots.

the baits I am interested in as far as jigs go are

yamamoto grubs
regular jigs with fixed skirts and trailers(Strike king type)


Maybe next week we can talk another bait?

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Old December 21st, 2003, 03:33 PM   #2
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Ask Jamie about the type of Trailers I was using, if your interested
let me know and I'll hook you up. The bite was poor at best for us but they seemed to work. I am very confident in jig fishing I use a j-mac swim jig.
 
Old December 21st, 2003, 03:37 PM   #3
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I prefer a 8ft. med/hvy Qauntum pt tour edition rod and reel setup with min. 20lb superbraid spiderline.

Jigs.

Strike King 1/2 black/blue, brown/orange tipped with a #6 bo hog
trailer , clipped weedgaurds and hook pushed to the side and on the shank a pair of pro rattles ( glass ).

Canyon lake, pithching the boulder piles and cliff faces or swim it
down the channels.

Apache ( swim )
Pleasant (swim ) down points or jigged in brush piles with min
30lb. spiderline
Rosy. pitched into the grass or pitched to the rovky shorelines
or swam on the flats.
 
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Old December 21st, 2003, 04:23 PM   #4
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I know I'm going to take some flack from JasonR and Rackman on this

Brown/orange.......white/white/ .....or purple proline 3/8 ounce jigs

I always use a Uncle Josh #11 bait frog trailer that matches the bait.............also trim down the weedguard and give it a little "flair"

Some people don't like the pork because it dries out if not kept in the water

Some people don't like the gami hook on the proline becasue they say it turns out easily.......I never had that problem, or maybe I have don't know........

7'6 flippin stick, or 7'0 MH IMX 20lb test

Early this year thats pretty much all I fished.......I listed other colors but all I really use is white/white...............

One thing I learned about fishing jigs it really requires you to watch your line because almost all the time you will not feel the fish inhale your bait........maybe that's just me but, I didn't feel most of them, I just seen my line "tick" or move a little........you also need to use a fairly heavy line because when you fish a jig you can't let the fish fight, big fish can turn that hook real easy, so you need heavy constant pressure, and watch those hits on the fall, missed alot of fish earlier this year because I wasn't paying attention.............I bounce the jig off the bottom, telling myself I'm a dumb crawdad......I'm a dumb crawdad...found most of my fish hit the bait on the fall after the bounce...missed alot of fish that way.......I guess you could say when it came to jigs this year, I pretty much sucked.......

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Old December 21st, 2003, 04:58 PM   #5
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I have never fished them . Joe owens sells jigs I got a sample with my last order I'm going to check them out X-mas weekend up at sag. I'm going to keep 1 eye on this topic.
We'll see what happens.

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Old December 21st, 2003, 05:50 PM   #6
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Definately one of my favorite baits. I use the same rod that I use to throw texas rigged worms.
-6.5' MH Berkley lighting rod
-14 lbst Trilene XT
-Abu Garcia 5500 Ambassaduer

I use at least a 3/8oz jig in black or green pumpkin with matching Berkley trailer. These colors consistantly produced for me in all the AZ lakes. In winter I really like to stair step the jig along canyons by slooowly dragging it. If I come up to a rock or something while dragging I like to pop the jig. I usually get the bite as soon as I pop it or once it falls off the step. The rest of the time I like to fish it like a worm. Point breaks or islands are great places to start.

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Old December 21st, 2003, 06:42 PM   #7
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Delw.....
Saw you at the weigh in but never got a chance to bug you for those worms....

The main jig I throw is a hula, not the jig n pig. I just have more confidence in it, altho I have some of the little finesse jigs and will trying them out.

For starters, I would say get a pack of the 4" hula grubs in any color you have confidence in. Any sort of brown is a darn good place to start. Lets keep it simple at first.....

If I was fishing 20-30 feet of water and knew there were some rocks down there, I would want my jig banging into them. Football heads are great, I would suggest you use them. I use a 6'6" TD LT wormin/jiggin rod, its MH but pretty stiff. Line wise, the deeper Im fishing, the heavier line I will use. 12lb is a good all around choice. When you are "counting the rocks", I find its better to hold the rod lightly...for some reason I dont hang up as much as I do if I have a death grip on my rod. (That sounded bad)

Let the jig touch bottom. Now this time of year you wanna crawl it. Did you just feel a rock? Good. Pull on your rod, and bang the rock. Now tighten your line and FEEL. Usually its not a pressure bite. If you have sharp hooks, just set and reel. Make sure after any hang ups, you check your hook point. You can lose a lot of fish on this rig.

Thats it for now...just somewhere to get started. I would try fishing UPHILL right now. Yeah youre going to lose some rigs, but the football head comes out a lot of the times. Its all a part of the game. My best on the Hula so far is a 4 from about 40' on an underwater dam, but the bigger boys will slam it as well.

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Old December 21st, 2003, 07:08 PM   #8
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Ok....for my money there is only one Jig to buy and that's a Sweetwater. It has a unique killer hook called Texpose that makes for awesome hook sets. The weedguards come in a great length as well, so no trimming is needed. Just a great high quality all around Jig.

As far as trailers are concerned when I'm fishing light to moderate dense structure nothing beats pork trailer but when I'm fishing heavy cover like Mats or weed beds I like to use a 3" or 4" paddle tail Zipper Worm. This bait combo will find the smallest of openings in any heavy cover.

I also prefer to use a line that I can see well (not green) this allows me to see the line ticks as the bait is falling whether flipping into the tules or pitching to the steep walls like Joe Owens was doing this weekend. When the water is real clear I will go with a bit lighter line and use a green marker to color the first 6' of the line to be a little less visible to the fish.

Spider Jigs / Garland Jigs whatever you want to call them are my only choice when I'm fishing open water or offshore structure. Use this on a football or standup head with a twin tail grub as a trailer and you will find that this bait will on average catch much bigger fish than your D.S or splitshot rig. They also make a finesse model that is kickass for smallmouths...I think they are 1/8" oz.

As far presentations are concerned...you need to let the fish tell you what they want. Don't be afraid to swim that Jig on or near the bottom. Also working them uphill or parallel are usually good bets. At Pleasant if you position yourself directly over some of the deeper trees and vertically work jigs down through the branches you can get some good suspended fish out of em.

One last thingÖ.Investigate the color of the crawdads in the lake you are fishing and match the color and remember that the crawdads change colors throughout the year so keep an eye out for color changes.

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Old December 21st, 2003, 07:50 PM   #10
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this has been a great thread. I have no experience fishing these but have wanted to learn for a while. I'm hoping to hire Joe O. sometime soon for hands on training. Nice post, Dan. You guys are motivating me to go do it!
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Old December 22nd, 2003, 04:11 AM   #11
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Sweetwater Jigs, purple and brown on the Colorado from Mojave to Yuma. thats the only bait I use on the river. Swim them, drop them down the rock walls and flip them in the reeds. I use a MH worm rod with 12- 14 lb line, plus I spend a little time keeping the weed guard spread out. That keeps the jig standing up plus keeps em moving around branches when flipping in the brush. I should be on Sag by noon today and am thinking I'll try dropshoting with a jig on the bottom. I've never tried it but hear it works great. Tuesday all the "soremouths" should be hungry at Pleasent
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Old December 22nd, 2003, 09:29 AM   #12
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Like Bayou said this is a great thread.

For about the last 2 years I been useing a 7.5" worm on a 3/8 gamy bullet jighead and its been working very good. I work it just like someone would a texas rigged worm.
I use it on a med heavy rod with my clunn or curado and 12lb floroclear.

I have about 100 packs of yamamoto twintail and single tail grubs and figured I should at least give them a try. I noticed at a bunch of tournys people are catching big fish with these and winning some nice checks.


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Old December 22nd, 2003, 09:42 AM   #13
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Can anyone tell me where I can get those Sweetwater Jigs? I want to give'm a try.

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Old December 22nd, 2003, 11:32 AM   #14
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Hey guys,

I know this is shameless promotion, but Conquistador Tackle now have two jig lines under the name Conquest Jigs. All our jigs come with a hand wire tie with a combination of silicone and rubber. All of them come with two matching jig trailers.

The newest jig we offer is a casting jig. It is a classic Arkie style. This jig is designed for our canyon lakes and pitching the walls. It is also perfect for dragging on the bottom. I think the 1/2oz model with a trimmed skirt and slightly trimmed the fiber guard is the perfect Roosevelt Lake jig. It snags less then an open hooked spider jig. In late spring and early summer, May-June, Iíve used the 1/4 oz model at Apache and Canyon pitching in inches of water and have caught fish to 6lbs. The 1/4oz hits the water softer and drops slower and that makes it perfect for that style of fishing. The most popular is the 3/8oz model and people are using them this time of year on the walls. See them here: http://www.wiredworms.com/ConquestJi...ngJigPage.html

We also offer a flipping model with a giant 5/0 Mustad Ultra Point hook. This jig and its matching trailer offer a large profile. Iím getting a lot of positive comments about this jig and how it gets through heavy cover. With our low water in AZ, flipping is not a key technique unless you fish Martinez or Havasu, perhaps Alamo if it gets some water this winter. If you do fish Martinez, then you know the size of the fish that live there. It gets into and out of the tules with ease and with its big strong hook in combination with braded line is all you need to get the fish out of the thickest cover. See them here: http://www.wiredworms.com/ConquestJi...ngJigPage.html
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Old December 22nd, 2003, 11:34 AM   #15
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I was reading about swimming jigs in a bassmaster. There is a company that makes jigs specially for swimming. they have a round pice of metal like a spinner blade stuck to the head of the jig. Not like a roadrunner jig, the blade is welded to the head. So i took some of my jigs and did the same. The blade should be at a 45 degee angle to the shank of the hook. When you cast it out, it slowly flutters back and forth to the bottom. like a jitterbug would on the surface. the blade should be cuped in not out. hopefully you have a good picture of what im talking about. Its hard to explain. I have had good luck on it, and if you have some spare time, you should try it.
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