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Old March 25th, 2016, 04:42 PM   #76
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Tons of great stuff here

http://ag.arizona.edu/limnology/PleasantLimno.pdf

http://www.azgfd.gov/w_c/documents/T...edBass2008.pdf
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Old March 25th, 2016, 04:47 PM   #77
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We got it. Your having the discussion. I think we should introduce the Asian carp and snakehead. ESPECIALLY the snakehead. Its delicious, can survive anything, and would take out muskie in a heartbeat. B SHEP, would you support my Snakehead initiative? Plus...I'm terrible at fishing, and I hear snakehead will hit any lure. I need that advantage.
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Old March 25th, 2016, 05:06 PM   #78
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I'm not sure how a Muskie can be put in any category that consists of Asian Carp and Snakehead. Both would pose a serious threat to the existing fish community and would not benefit anglers in any way... Unless you are someone who wishes to utilize Asian Carp and Snakehead for any positive reason... The negatives outweigh the positives in that made-up scenario where as there really are no negatives to stocking Muskies in a lake like Lake Pleasant.
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Old March 25th, 2016, 05:29 PM   #79
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I just told you the positive reasons. Delicious, and easy to catch. Are Muskie delicious? Are they easy to catch? The answer is no. And snakehead can live out of water. Since I'm not that good at catching fish in water, I figure once the snakehead go ashore, I can club it.
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Old March 25th, 2016, 05:40 PM   #80
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Muskie are not easy to catch, which is one reason people love to catch them. There are plenty of other things we can eat in the world. There is no need for another human food source as far as the fishery goes. The Trout serve the idea for a fish food source quite well... while adding entertainment to the equation. Bass and Flathead anglers preach catch and release while some still keep. Muskie anglers generally catch and release everything they catch and dedicate as much of their resources to the fishery as possible.

Asian Carp and Snakehead would overwhelm current populations of fish. This idea alone should cancel out any possible positive. Muskie populations can be managed - within reason.

Asian Carp and Snakehead do not share the same elusiveness, mystique, and popularity as the Muskie.
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Old March 25th, 2016, 06:44 PM   #81
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But I want to eat them. Delicious. Easy to catch.
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Old March 25th, 2016, 06:46 PM   #82
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Not to mention your argument is subjective. The beached snakehead had plenty of mystique.....and is delicious
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Old March 25th, 2016, 07:28 PM   #83
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I just told you the positive reasons. Delicious, and easy to catch. Are Muskie delicious? Are they easy to catch? The answer is no. And snakehead can live out of water. Since I'm not that good at catching fish in water, I figure once the snakehead go ashore, I can club it.
Club it..........:
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Old March 25th, 2016, 08:08 PM   #84
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A catch and release only regulation and closed season from June until the end of September to insure the best chance for survival would be a good idea. This will allow the opportunity to see the absolute potential these efforts can provide. This will also allow for realistic, scientific results from catch rates and studies done on the lake and the fish. People who do not fish, fishermen, scientists, Lake Pleasant, and the Muskellunge species can all benefit from this idea.
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Old March 25th, 2016, 08:10 PM   #85
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These are two great studies. Lake Pleasant Muskellunge data would make for some great software for the overall system.

http://www.azgfd.gov/w_c/documents/T...edBass2008.pdf

http://www.nwrc.usgs.gov/wdb/pub/hsi/hsi-148.pdf
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Old March 26th, 2016, 09:36 AM   #86
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We got it. Your having the discussion. I think we should introduce the Asian carp and snakehead. ESPECIALLY the snakehead. Its delicious, can survive anything, and would take out muskie in a heartbeat. B SHEP, would you support my Snakehead initiative? Plus...I'm terrible at fishing, and I hear snakehead will hit any lure. I need that advantage.
And....the snakehead can be used in a sacrificial ceremony to save a dying family member! Can a muskie be sacrificed to save a dying family member?

That, by the way, is supposedly how the damn things ended up in one of the rivers back east...
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Old March 26th, 2016, 10:47 AM   #87
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It seems that plenty of Largemouth Bass survive to the point where they are too big for a 4-6 pound Striper to eat them.
There's 25+ pound stripers in that lake.
State record came out of there I believe 2010. It weighed 29 - 30 pounds. Bob caught that fish.
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Old March 26th, 2016, 01:38 PM   #88
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Absolutely. I'm sure there are bigger... but, a Largemouth Bass can reach a certain size to where even a 40 pound Striped Bass would not be able to fit it in it's mouth, too.
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Old March 26th, 2016, 01:42 PM   #89
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Absolutely. I'm sure there are bigger... but, a Largemouth Bass can reach a certain size to where even a 40 pound Striped Bass would not be able to fit it in it's, too.
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Old March 26th, 2016, 01:53 PM   #90
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Even that fish would have a tough time fitting a 5 pound Largemouth Bass in it's mouth
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