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Old July 22nd, 2012, 01:59 PM   #1
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New camping laws on our National forrest in Arizona??

Guys, my wife was at one of her clients last week, and they were all in an uproar about some new law. As she explained it to me they told her that a law was passed prohibiting camping off the main roads in our forrest further than 30ft. Has anyone heard anything about this? I told her I hadn't heard anything about it but I new right where to go to find out. Thanks for any info.
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Old July 22nd, 2012, 02:09 PM   #2
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Guys, my wife was at one of her clients last week, and they were all in an uproar about some new law. As she explained it to me they told her that a law was passed prohibiting camping off the main roads in our forrest further than 30ft. Has anyone heard anything about this? I told her I hadn't heard anything about it but I new right where to go to find out. Thanks for any info.
i cant find anything about it, and i seriously doubt its true.
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Old July 22nd, 2012, 02:19 PM   #3
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It is a set of rules put in place in May of this year. You can check out the Coconino national forest website for more details. You can camp where you want but the restriction is on where you can drive/park your vehicle.





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Old July 22nd, 2012, 03:04 PM   #4
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Has to do with dispersed camping, particularly in the Coconino National Forest. Other Forests will be following suit soon. It's combined with their new Travel Management Policy.

Here's da link: http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/coconi...telprdb5356224

As for the Coconino National Forest, get a copy of the latest "Motor Vehicle Use Map" from various places or the link above. You can still camp almost anywhere but with the following restrictions. It basically says that your allowed to car camp along any road thats open to vehicle use BUT your vehicle can only be 30 feet off the road from the road center line. The exception is areas where the Forest Service has designated them a dispersed camping area where your vehicle must be less than 300 ft off the road center line, either left, right or both sides of the road. You'll have to look at the map to see this as it's indicated by a dotted line(s) along the road.

An example would be tent camping - as long as your car is not more than 30 ft from the center line of a forest road that's open to vehicle use (or 300 ft from forest road center line in designated dispersed camping areas) you can walk & set up camp anywhere you want. Where you drive/park your car is the key.

Same holds true for those with campers except your restricted to the 30 ft/300 ft rules because of where you're allowed to drive your vehicle in order to park your camper.

Confusing, Yep!

If you have a smart phone (iPhone), you can download these maps from the link above to your phone. Then using this application http://www.avenza.com/pdf-maps it'll show you these maps on your phone and also show your real time position (Just like mapquest ect..) within these maps.

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Old July 22nd, 2012, 09:10 PM   #5
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coconino- Kaibab have already addopted new rules and tonto are starting theirs -
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Old July 23rd, 2012, 03:15 PM   #6
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I believe Prescott Nat forrest has started also.
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Old July 23rd, 2012, 03:49 PM   #7
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what are they trying to gain by instituting this rule?
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Old July 23rd, 2012, 05:29 PM   #8
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what are they trying to gain by instituting this rule?
The Center for biological diversity (an anti hunting group) has the ear of the current administration in Washington.
Less access, Fewer hunters, Fewer animals harvested.
By the way it's the same group that is supporting the ban of lead bullets and fishing tackle.
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Old July 23rd, 2012, 06:33 PM   #9
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what are they trying to gain by instituting this rule?
There doing it to keep everyone and there brother from making a bigger road and one giant camp ground.
go up on any hunting season and you will see 5th wheels and trailers pulled off the road 100 yards. there was no road there to begin either, now its a huge pit.

It kills all the vegitation along any road way as well. it does look pretty bad.
I think its a good idea personally, but tahst just me.
if you ever been on the rim there are millions of roads every where, most were made illegally.

North rim and unit 9 is the worst I have ever seen.

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Old July 23rd, 2012, 06:43 PM   #10
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i agree. i hunt there on occasion and it get's worse every year.


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There doing it to keep everyone and there brother from making a bigger road and one giant camp ground.
go up on any hunting season and you will see 5th wheels and trailers pulled off the road 100 yards. there was no road there to begin either, now its a huge pit.

It kills all the vegitation along any road way as well. it does look pretty bad.
I think its a good idea personally, but tahst just me.
if you ever been on the rim there are millions of roads every where, most were made illegally.

North rim and unit 9 is the worst I have ever seen.

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Old July 23rd, 2012, 06:49 PM   #11
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There doing it to keep everyone and there brother from making a bigger road and one giant camp ground.
go up on any hunting season and you will see 5th wheels and trailers pulled off the road 100 yards. there was no road there to begin either, now its a huge pit.

Delw makes a good point. Why the need to flip the axles on your trailer if you don't plan to off road it?
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Old July 23rd, 2012, 10:17 PM   #12
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The Center for biological diversity (an anti hunting group) has the ear of the current administration in Washington.
Less access, Fewer hunters, Fewer animals harvested.
By the way it's the same group that is supporting the ban of lead bullets and fishing tackle.
Show me the money... gossip queen.

This started back in 2006/07

"During fall 2006 and summer 2007, we hosted several open houses in northern and central Arizona and gave Travel Management Rule presentations to groups to collect ideas regarding motorized travel in the Coconino National Forest from local citizens, forest users, State, county, local, and tribal governments, and other Federal agencies. This proposed action represents a synthesis of public comment and Forest Service specialist recommendations gathered during the travel analysis process."

Per the FEIS for the order...

Maybe it just fits in w/the rest of the Obama conspiracy crap.

Shit actually exist, so there is really no need for you to just make up shit...
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Old July 24th, 2012, 06:21 AM   #13
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I flip my axels not to off road but to sit level with my big truck. Not everyone tears up the forrest
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Old July 24th, 2012, 01:05 PM   #14
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I flip my axels not to off road but to sit level with my big truck. Not everyone tears up the forrest
and not to menchon some of the ruts out there.i also drive a lifted truck with a lifted trailer/ i like ground clearance.i still think the new laws are bullsheet.im not trying to cut new roads in but i would like to camp away from peaple and main roads.
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Old July 24th, 2012, 02:19 PM   #15
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and not to menchon some of the ruts out there.i also drive a lifted truck with a lifted trailer/ i like ground clearance.i still think the new laws are bullsheet.im not trying to cut new roads in but i would like to camp away from peaple and main roads.
I think this is the problem. Lots of folks (including myself) would much rather camp far away from main roads and people - but can be very hard to do if not impossible without cutting new roads - at least in parts of the Coc. Natl Forest Im familiar with. Im up there quite a bit between March and November and it never ceases to amaze me at the number of people up there regardless of time of year. Im sure just like with everything else where a few ruined it for the rest of us.
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