BulletHead and dos Perros, my bad, I forgot you guys are OLD and stuff. I was quoting a rappa, Ice Cube, in other words we had a spectacular day at Apache, one of the best trips I have had in a while. My brother and I caught several big fish, a 6lb largemouth, a 3lb smallie and lost a 5lb smallie at the boat(dang trebles)... Thanks for the tip bullethead. I dont post my trips too often, but had to this time.