Thanks for the info. We'll be headed out there around 5:30 pm. I have always just gone I 17 to carefree to cave creek, but it takes a while to go through town. Boat cop, did you mean scottsdale rd(looks like it turns into Tom Darlington) or frank lloyd wright? The map I was looking at (could be outdated) doesn't show frank lloyd wright intersecting with carefree. It does look like carefree hwy to scottsdale rd would be a lot quicker than going all the way through town on cave creek. Unless someone thinks there is a quicker way during rush hour, I think we'll go 17 to carefree to scottsdale/Tom Darlington to cave creek? Thanks again for your responses!