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WTH are we doing in Afghanistan? Come on now you Bush haters. This statist is going to send more troops there too?where are all you war anti activists? It's ok now since Obama is doing it? Frickin' hyprocites.
 

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WTH are we doing in Afghanistan? Come on now you Bush haters. This statist is going to send more troops there too?where are all you war anti activists? It's ok now since Obama is doing it? Frickin' hyprocites.
Yeah dude when a democrat is in office its ok to be at war wherever and whenever. Put a republican in office and and all wars are unjust and illegal... BTW I thought we were supposed to be out of Iraq by now?

I am going to get a bumper sticker made: OBAMA LIED PEOPLE DIED!!:Iconrotfl
 

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OK, let's see if I get this straight.

Osama Bin Laden orchestrates the 9/11 attacks and goes into hiding in Afghanistan, Bush invades Iraq to dethrone Saddam Hussein because he supposedly has WMD. In your eye's that is OK.

Obama is sending more troops to Afghanistan where Osama Bin Laden is still running the show,
which is where our troops should have gone in the first place, and this is a bad thing.

Can you please explain your thought processes on this one?

1. Is Osama Bin Laden responsible for 9/11? YES!
2. Was Saddam Hussein responsible for 9/11? NO!
3. Did we ever find WMD's in Iraq? NO!
4. Is Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan? YES!
5. Is Osama Bin Laden in Iraq? NO!
6. Do we still want to get Osama Bin Laden? YES!
7. Do we still want to attack the heart of Al Qaeda? YES!
8. Shouldn't we be in Afghanistan then? YES!

So now tell me, what part of being in Iraq was right, and being in Afghanistan is wrong.
I am sure somebody will come up with an excuse and justify it in their mind.
 

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OK, let's see if I get this straight.

Osama Bin Laden orchestrates the 9/11 attacks and goes into hiding in Afghanistan, Bush invades Iraq to dethrone Saddam Hussein because he supposedly has WMD. In your eye's that is OK.

Obama is sending more troops to Afghanistan where Osama Bin Laden is still running the show,
which is where our troops should have gone in the first place, and this is a bad thing.

Can you please explain your thought processes on this one?

1. Is Osama Bin Laden responsible for 9/11? YES!
2. Was Saddam Hussein responsible for 9/11? NO!
3. Did we ever find WMD's in Iraq? NO!
4. Is Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan? YES!
5. Is Osama Bin Laden in Iraq? NO!
6. Do we still want to get Osama Bin Laden? YES!
7. Do we still want to attack the heart of Al Qaeda? YES!
8. Shouldn't we be in Afghanistan then? YES!

So now tell me, what part of being in Iraq was right, and being in Afghanistan is wrong.
I am sure somebody will come up with an excuse and justify it in their mind.

In some ways your reasoning is OK but until you have been over there don't think that the US going into Iraq was wrong. We have been peace keepers all over the world, when Iraq refused to cooperate with the UN inspectors then something was going on. Your history is a little off we did go into Afghan first. I see that you have to be a Democrat so here are two questions for you:

1. Why did Bill Clinton not take Bin Laden when Saudi offered him up. Then we would not be in either Country right now.

2. obama in his presidential campaign said he would have the troops out of Iraq in 6 months. My buddies are still there.

You have strayed from the topic and never did answer the first question which is why are we still in Iraq when obama said he would have the troops out in 6 months. Why are you not now waving your arms in rage because he lied to you.
 

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I was there!

Going into Iraq right after 9/11 for the reason's we did was wrong.

Did we need to go into Iraq for other reasons, YES! Just like we should and probably will end up doing something in Iran, JMO!

Did we need to go into Iraq when we should have gone right after Osama, NO!

I am not a Democrat! But hey thanks for judging me! I classify myself as more independent.

"Your history is a little off we did go into Afghan first."
1. After 9/11, What DATE did we go into Afghanistan?
2. After 9/11, What DATE did we go into Iraq?

"1. Why did Bill Clinton not take Bin Laden when Saudi offered him up. Then we would not be in either Country right now." What had Bin Laden done at that time?

"2. obama in his presidential campaign said he would have the troops out of Iraq in 6 months. My buddies are still there." I don't know the answer to that one, but then again that is not the topic of this thread.
 

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On September 15, 2001, President Bush says of bin Laden: “If he thinks he can hide and run from the United States and our allies, he will be sorely mistaken.” [Los Angeles Times, 9/16/2001] Two days later, he says, “I want justice. And there’s an old poster out West, I recall, that says, ‘Wanted: Dead or Alive.’” [ABC News, 9/17/2001] On December 28, 2001, even as the US was declaring victory in Afghanistan, Bush says, “Our objective is more than bin Laden.” [Associated Press, 8/21/2002] Bush’s January 2002 State of the Union speech describes Iraq as part of an “axis of evil” and fails to mention bin Laden at all. On March 8, 2002, Bush still vows: “We’re going to find him.” [Washington Post, 10/1/2002] Yet, only a few days later on March 13, Bush says, “He’s a person who’s now been marginalized.… I just don’t spend that much time on him.… I truly am not that concerned about him.” Instead, Bush is “deeply concerned about Iraq.” [US President, 3/18/2002] The rhetoric shift is complete when Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Richard Myers states on April 6, “The goal has never been to get bin Laden.” [Evans, Novak, Hunt & Shields, 4/6/2002] In October 2002, the Washington Post notes that since March 2002, Bush has avoided mentioning bin Laden’s name, even when asked about him directly. Bush sometimes uses questions about bin Laden to talk about Saddam Hussein instead. In late 2001, nearly two-thirds of Americans say the war on terrorism could not be called a success without bin Laden’s death or capture. That number falls to 44 percent in a March 2002 poll, and the question has since been dropped. [Washington Post, 10/1/2002] Charles Heyman, editor of Jane’s World Armies, later points out: “There appears to be a real disconnect” between the US military’s conquest of Afghanistan and “the earlier rhetoric of President Bush, which had focused on getting bin Laden.”
 

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"1. Why did Bill Clinton not take Bin Laden when Saudi offered him up. Then we would not be in either Country right now."

"What had Bin Laden done at that time?"





Did Osama not bomb WTC 2 times, the first being unsuccessful?"
 

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"Did Osama not bomb WTC 2 times, the first being unsuccessful?"
NOPE!

The 1993 World Trade Center bombing occurred on February 26, 1993, when a car bomb was detonated below the North Tower of the World Trade Center in New York City. The 1,500 lb (680 kg) urea nitrate-hydrogen gas enhanced device[1] was intended to knock the North Tower (Tower One) into the South Tower (Tower Two), bringing both towers down and killing thousands of people.[2][3] It failed to do so, but did kill six people and injured 1,042.
The attack was planned by a group of conspirators including Ramzi Yousef, Mahmud Abouhalima, Mohammad Salameh, Nidal Ayyad, Abdul Rahman Yasin and Ahmad Ajaj. They received financing from Khaled Shaikh Mohammed, Yousef's uncle. In March 1994, four men were convicted of carrying out the bombing: Abouhalima, Ajaj, Ayyad and Salameh. The charges included conspiracy, explosive destruction of property and interstate transportation of explosives. In November 1997, two more were convicted: Yousef, the mastermind behind the bombings, and Eyad Ismoil, who drove the truck carrying the bomb.
Ramzi Yousef, who was born as Abdul Basit Mahmoud Abdul Karim in Kuwait, spent time at Al-Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan,[4] before beginning in 1991 to plan a bombing attack within the United States. Yousef's uncle Khalid Shaikh Mohammed Ali Fadden, who later was considered the principal architect of the September 11 attacks, gave him advice and tips over the phone, and funded him with a US$660 wire transfer.[5]
Yousef arrived in the United States on September 1, 1992, traveling with Ahmed Ajaj from Pakistan, though both sat apart on the flight and acted as though they were traveling separately. Ajaj tried to enter with a Swedish passport, though it had been altered and thus raised suspicions among INS officials at John F. Kennedy International Airport. When officials put Ajaj through secondary inspection, they discovered bomb making instructions and other materials in his luggage, and arrested him. The name Abu Barra, an alias of Mohammed Jamal Khalifa, appeared in the manuals. Yousef tried to enter with a false Iraqi passport, claiming political asylum. Yousef was allowed into the United States, and was given a hearing date.[6]
Yousef set up residence on Nicole Pickett Avenue in Jersey City, New Jersey, traveled around New York and New Jersey and called Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, a controversial blind Muslim cleric, via cell phone. After being introduced to his co-conspirators by Abdel Rahman at the latter's Al-Farooq Mosque in Brooklyn, Yousef began assembling the 1,500 lb urea nitrate-hydrogen gas enhanced device for delivery to the WTC. He ordered chemicals from his hospital room when injured in a car crash - one of three accidents caused by Salameh in late 1992 and early in 1993.
El Sayyid Nosair, one of the blind sheik's men, was arrested in 1991 for the murder of Rabbi Meir Kahane. According to prosecutors, "the Red" Mahmud Abouhalima, also convicted in the bombing, told Wadih el Hage to buy the .38 caliber revolver used by Nosair in the Kahane shooting. In the initial court case in NYS Criminal Court Nosair was acquitted of murder but convicted of gun charges. (In a related and followup case in Federal Court, he was convicted). Dozens of Arabic bomb-making manuals and documents related to terrorist plots were found in Nosair's New Jersey apartment, with manuals from Army Special Warfare Center at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, secret memos linked to Joint Chiefs of Staff, and 1,440 rounds of ammunition. (Lance 2004 26 )
Ramzi Yousef and a Jordanian friend, Eyad Ismoil, drove a yellow Ryder van into Lower Manhattan, and pulled into the public parking garage beneath the World Trade Center around noon. Yousef ignited the 20-foot fuse, and fled. Twelve minutes later, at 12:17:37 pm, the bomb exploded in the underground garage, generating an estimated pressure of 150,000 psi.[8] The bomb opened a 30-m (98 ft) wide hole through four sublevels of concrete. The detonation velocity of this bomb was about 15,000 ft/s (4.5 km/s).
The bomb instantly cut off the center's main electrical power line, knocking out the emergency lighting system. The bomb caused smoke to rise up to the 93rd floor of both towers, including through the stairwells which were not pressurized.[9] With thick smoke filling the stairwells, evacuation was difficult for building occupants and led to many smoke inhalation injuries. Hundreds were trapped in elevators in the towers when the power was cut, including a group of 17 kindergartners, on their way down from the South Tower observation deck, who were trapped between the 35th and 36th floors for five hours.[10][11]
Also as a result of the loss of electricity most of New York City's radio and television stations lost their over-the-air broadcast signal for almost a week, with television stations only being able to broadcast via cable and satellite via a microwave hookup between the stations and three of the New York area's largest cable companies, Cablevision, Comcast, and Time Warner Cable. Telephone service for much of Lower Manhattan was also disrupted.
Altogether, six people were killed and 1,042 others were injured, most during the evacuation that followed the blast.[12] The towers did not collapse, according to Yousef's plan, but the explosion did damage the garage badly. Nevertheless, had the van been parked closer to the WTC's poured concrete foundations, Yousef's plan might have succeeded.[13] Yousef escaped to Pakistan several hours later after the bombing.
Yousef had left Jersey City much earlier in the morning, thus questions linger as to why he waited to noon to attack when the parking area was much less crowded. Conspirator Mahmud Abouhalima later stated that the original plan was to attack the United Nations headquarters earlier in the morning. Author Simon Reeve theorized that something went wrong, such as Yousef encountering too much security, and the target was changed to be the World Trade Center.[12]
 

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WMD, I keep hearing that argument and dead people don't talk do they. So that means we are their voice. Just after the first issue in 90/91 he gassed the Kurd's and killed a lot of people. Remember seeing those pictures of men, women and children laying dead where they were gassed and fell. Oh yea I was there too in 90/91 and the first SCUD, well my INTEL says it had the gel on it. If you understand the delivery methods you understand the term gel. I really liked popping those little pink pills and lets not forget the 7 auto-injectors we carried in the pouch with the gas mask.

But back to the main questions, another promise that people believed in and another lie. If people bought into his promises they are really stupid. If these dumb people felt like we could just pull out of a country in as much chaos as Iraq is in, then it explains how Obama got elected then.
 

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The 1993 World Trade Center bombing occurred on February 26, 1993, Bill Clinton took office on January 20, 1993.

So if anyone would have had intellgence on the WTC bombings it would have been George H. W. Bush.
 

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I was there!

Going into Iraq right after 9/11 for the reason's we did was wrong.

Did we need to go into Iraq for other reasons, YES! Just like we should and probably will end up doing something in Iran, JMO!

Did we need to go into Iraq when we should have gone right after Osama, NO!

I am not a Democrat! But hey thanks for judging me! I classify myself as more independent.

"Your history is a little off we did go into Afghan first."
1. After 9/11, What DATE did we go into Afghanistan?
2. After 9/11, What DATE did we go into Iraq?
"1. Why did Bill Clinton not take Bin Laden when Saudi offered him up. Then we would not be in either Country right now." What had Bin Laden done at that time?

"2. obama in his presidential campaign said he would have the troops out of Iraq in 6 months. My buddies are still there." I don't know the answer to that one, but then again that is not the topic of this thread.
We attacked the Taliban as soon as we had PROOF they were protecting Bin Laden, who was behind 9/11. If you could look at a calender you would see this was BEFORE IRAQ.

Are you so ignorant that you do not remember the 1st bomb attack on the WTC that was proven to be the work of Bin Laden. So we should wait until people actually kill thousands of Americans(like he said he would), before we take care of them? Yeah that same kind of stupidity worked against Hitler and Japan didn't it?

The FACT is if Clinton had accepted Bin Laden 3000 Americans would be alive today.

We went to Iraq because Hussein kicked out the weapons inspectors which was his 17th violation of the cease fire agreement he signed after the 1st Gulf War. Yes Bush saw the same intelligence reports that the congress did saying Hussein had WMD. Of course the congress voted OVERWHELMINGLY to go to Iraq. Who was behind this faulty information? George Tenet the head of the CIA, appointed by Bill Clinton.

And if you had ANY knowledge about this subject you would know Bin Laden is NOT in Afghanastan, he is and has been since we chased him out, in PAKISTAN.

I certainly do not agree with how Bush ran the war prior the the surge(which has been a huge success), but Obama has done NOTHING he said he would when he was campaigning. So the "change" all his desciples voted for was a lie. He has proven to be a liar like most every other polictician. He just has proven to be completely unprepared, and underqualified for the job he said he would bring change to.
 

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Liberals are like hemoroids,they just love hanging around assholes. Obummer is a liar, marxist,asshole.The people that defend him are obviouly of the same moral character. United Socialist States of America is a reallity,the civil war wasn't just about freeing slaves, now we have a goverment that is determined to enslave us. Ballots or bullets,what is it going to take to stay free.The feds own the banks,transportation and are trying to own healthcare.If you don't understand how these things are inner connected to your freedom then you are a dumdass that needs an "Obamanation": Jerk-it
 

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WMD, I keep hearing that argument and dead people don't talk do they. So that means we are their voice. Just after the first issue in 90/91 he gassed the Kurd's and killed a lot of people. Remember seeing those pictures of men, women and children laying dead where they were gassed and fell. Oh yea I was there too in 90/91 and the first SCUD, well my INTEL says it had the gel on it. If you understand the delivery methods you understand the term gel. I really liked popping those little pink pills and lets not forget the 7 auto-injectors we carried in the pouch with the gas mask.

But back to the main questions, another promise that people believed in and another lie. If people bought into his promises they are really stupid. If these dumb people felt like we could just pull out of a country in as much chaos as Iraq is in, then it explains how Obama got elected then.


What was your point here?

We attacked the Taliban as soon as we had PROOF they were protecting Bin Laden, who was behind 9/11. If you could look at a calender you would see this was BEFORE IRAQ.
Did I ever dispute that fact, I just asked what the dates were.

"And if you had ANY knowledge about this subject you would know Bin Laden is NOT in Afghanastan, he is and has been since we chased him out, in PAKISTAN."
So he is NOT in Afghanistan, he is not hiding in the mountains right on the border jumping back and forth from country to country in his caves, The Taliban are not operating in Afghanistan?.
CHECK YOUR FACTS, before yo ucast that stone!
Are you so ignorant that you do not remember the 1st bomb attack on the WTC that was proven to be the work of Bin Laden.

The 1st bombing that occured was in 1993, It was the work of Al Qaeda, where is the proof that Bin Laden was behind it, if you read my earlier post you'll see that.

Senko11, I said that if anyone would have had intellgence on the WTC bombings it would have been George H. W. Bush. Now after the fact Yes Clinton's administration would have been brought up to speed.
 

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Liberals are like hemoroids,they just love hanging around assholes. Obummer is a liar, marxist,asshole.The people that defend him are obviouly of the same moral character. United Socialist States of America is a reallity,the civil war wasn't just about freeing slaves, now we have a goverment that is determined to enslave us. Ballots or bullets,what is it going to take to stay free.The feds own the banks,transportation and are trying to own healthcare.If you don't understand how these things are inner connected to your freedom then you are a dumdass that needs an "Obamanation": Jerk-it
txsriggd,

Was all this directed at me, or were you just talking in general.

"Liberal is synonymous with individual freedom. This includes concepts such as democracy, capitalism, and freedoms of thought, religion, etc. The opposite of this is therefore not conservative, as is popularly believed, but rather totalitarianism and intolerance.

Conservative on the other hand means resistive to change or supporting slow change.

It is easily possible to be both liberal and conservative at the same time."
 

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txsriggd,

Was all this directed at me, or were you just talking in general.

"Liberal is synonymous with individual freedom. This includes concepts such as democracy, capitalism, and freedoms of thought, religion, etc. The opposite of this is therefore not conservative, as is popularly believed, but rather totalitarianism and intolerance.

Conservative on the other hand means resistive to change or supporting slow change.

It is easily possible to be both liberal and conservative at the same time."
If I was wanting to attack you on a personal basis I would have mentioned your name,though I dissagree with you and it pisses me off,:beatingdeadhorse:as far as I know you are an U.S.citizen and your right to free speech far out wieghs my desire for you to shutthefkup and vice-versa. It seems though that liberals and demi's think only they have that right.Splitshot asked an honest question.but liberals/demi's don't like to be asked ?'s.It doesn't matter that people believed him,the point was that he lied and people died so WHY in your vast intelligent opinion that you love to share are they not vocal against that fact. :beatingdeadhorse:
 

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"WTH are we doing in Afghanistan? Come on now you Bush haters. This statist is going to send more troops there too?where are all you war anti activists? It's ok now since Obama is doing it? Frickin' hyprocites."

"It seems though that liberals and demi's think only they have that right.Splitshot asked an honest question.but liberals/demi's don't like to be asked ?'s."

By the way I am not a Liberal Democrat, but anyways.

You are right, Splitshot asked a question, and I answered it.
He wanted to know why we were in Afghanistan, and I gave him an answer.
He wants to know where all the anti war activists are, well that I don't know I personally an not anti war.

For every Liberal hemorrhoid, liar, Marxist, asshole. There is an equal number of Republican conservative extreme rightwing, inbred, *******, [email protected]
 
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