What's a Draft?
Draft Dogers
I know know one and he is proud about it... It makes me sick to think about it. I have many friends and family that served and lots loved ones! What do you guy's think about draft dodgers?
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Its part of ones responsibilities to go if called up. you want to run, then one should loose their right to be a citizen!!!!!!!!!!
BC, I agree and all the rights we law abidings citizens have...
If you listen to Bruce Springsteen or watch Stallone movies, you support them.
Draft dodgers SUCK. There are some reasons one would be a conscientious objector, and thats ok. A c.o. can still serve. To tuck tail and leave the country is gutless and unforgivable.
Draft dodgers SUCK. There are some reasons one would be a conscientious objector, and thats ok. A c.o. can still serve. To tuck tail and leave the country is gutless and unforgivable.
slick willie
he ran off to canada,so he wouldn't have to go to nam. Never hurt him he was elected governor then president and got some good head in the process.
he ran off to canada,so he wouldn't have to go to nam. Never hurt him he was elected governor then president and got some good head in the process.
Draft
When their country was at war, there were a lot of draftees who choose not to fight and defend their country, but instead choose to flee to Canada. Years later offered clemency and allowed to return to USA and reap all of it's benefits. "That is jacked up" Many others who were drafted later and essentially took the place of these cowards did not make it back. I wonder how these draft dodgers justify or can live with that. What kind of a person is it that can look at their child and say "Son when my country needed me I just ran? ? Now I am so pissed off I can't even type!!!
When their country was at war, there were a lot of draftees who choose not to fight and defend their country, but instead choose to flee to Canada. Years later offered clemency and allowed to return to USA and reap all of it's benefits. "That is jacked up" Many others who were drafted later and essentially took the place of these cowards did not make it back. I wonder how these draft dodgers justify or can live with that. What kind of a person is it that can look at their child and say "Son when my country needed me I just ran? ? Now I am so pissed off I can't even type!!!
The First Darft Dodger...........Ted Kennedy
1950: Enters Harvard. Is expelled after he is caught paying a friend to take a Spanish exam for him.
1951: Enlists in the US army, assigned honour guard at supreme headquarters of the allied powers in Europe, in Paris. His political connections keep him out of the Korean war. Discharged in 1953 as a private first class, he re-enters Harvard. While he was sitting on his ass in Paris, my father was fighting in Korea. He wasn’t ‘no fortunate son.’
1969: On 18 July, Kennedy drives off a bridge on Chappaquiddick Island, in Martha’s Vineyard, Massachusetts. His lone passenger, 28-year-old Mary Jo Kopechne, drowns. Kennedy leaves the scene and does not call the authorities until after Kopechne’s body is discovered the following day, after a 10-hour delay. The judge in the inquest – held in camera – rules that Kennedy “was probably guilty of criminal conduct”, but made no move to indict him.
1981: In January, Ted and Joan announce their intention to divorce, which is granted the following year.
1950-2009: Drinks like a fish, womanizes like male whore, and votes in favor of every socialist and anti-American bill ever invented.
1950: Enters Harvard. Is expelled after he is caught paying a friend to take a Spanish exam for him.
1951: Enlists in the US army, assigned honour guard at supreme headquarters of the allied powers in Europe, in Paris. His political connections keep him out of the Korean war. Discharged in 1953 as a private first class, he re-enters Harvard. While he was sitting on his ass in Paris, my father was fighting in Korea. He wasn’t ‘no fortunate son.’
1969: On 18 July, Kennedy drives off a bridge on Chappaquiddick Island, in Martha’s Vineyard, Massachusetts. His lone passenger, 28-year-old Mary Jo Kopechne, drowns. Kennedy leaves the scene and does not call the authorities until after Kopechne’s body is discovered the following day, after a 10-hour delay. The judge in the inquest – held in camera – rules that Kennedy “was probably guilty of criminal conduct”, but made no move to indict him.
1981: In January, Ted and Joan announce their intention to divorce, which is granted the following year.
1950-2009: Drinks like a fish, womanizes like male whore, and votes in favor of every socialist and anti-American bill ever invented.
I was looking at some news the other day and they had a citizenship ceramony in Iraq. there was well over 200 people getting their papers. they were from all over the world. But the key thing here is they were all in the US military. it seems if a person from another country joins our military and does 3 years they will become a US citizen.
These are the people i respect. they will fight for our country and should be citizens. we need more people like this.
Draft Dodgers have proved they will not defend the United States. Get the F^#k out we dont need a bunch of Squat to pees like them here
These are the people i respect. they will fight for our country and should be citizens. we need more people like this.
Draft Dodgers have proved they will not defend the United States. Get the F^#k out we dont need a bunch of Squat to pees like them here
Thats correct, we have folks from Iraq, Russia, China etc that are all in the Air Force...they joined to get thier citizenship....Im am proud to serve w/these people and it makes the service that much better to be in...I was looking at some news the other day and they had a citizenship ceramony in Iraq. there was well over 200 people getting their papers. they were from all over the world. But the key thing here is they were all in the US military. it seems if a person from another country joins our military and does 3 years they will become a US citizen.
These are the people i respect. they will fight for our country and should be citizens. we need more people like this.
Draft Dodgers have proved they will not defend the United States. Get the F^#k out we dont need a bunch of Squat to pees like them here
Thats why I hate illegal immigrants so much, becuase I know what these people have done to get the citizenship....
I believe they should be shot. I got two buddies that served in Nam and a bunch of freinds and family that are serving right now. The one thing that shocked me when I found out about what my buddy Tom went through in Nam these cowards will never know. He'd always bird hunt and fish with us but he never wanted to go for big game. At the time his son was about 11 and planning on taking the hunter ed course. He would constantly bug Tom about deer season the next year. So one spring around fish camp when we were passing a bottle of jack around I asked him and he finally broke down and told me. He said man I really don't know how many people I've offed. Tears welt up in his eyes. I said to tom is this the main reason that you avoid the big game hunting, and he replied yes. (he was the big gunner in his squad m-60) Now to see a mountain of a man 6ft 7inches break down and lose it i got mad as hell thinking about cowards like draft dodgers and what chicken shit pussies they are. Now he finally broke down and went big game hunting, I could tell it was damn hard but the joy in his face with his sons first buck I'll never forget. Also at that time not only were the draft dodgers bad but the hippies were just as frikin bad. He told me that when his plane landed in S.F yup you guessed it the frikin hippies spit on his uniform. Jose my other Nam buddy is still fighting mental issues to this day. I try and help him as much as I possibly can, I feel I owe him that for what he's done for us.To all the military/ex millitary people on the zone and our country I salute you and everything you do for us to keep us free. Thanks. One final note, for all the youngins watch the Deer Hunter with Robert DeNiro and Christopher Walkin from what I've been told by my two buddies this movie is right on the money for when they were there. Sorry about the rant but Dammit now I'm pissed.
Ted Nugent dodged the draft but all of you guys take every word he says for gospel : Jerk-it
Wrong young tracker, I don't. Hell like someone posted before look at slick willy, he dodged and then became pres. By the way were have you gotten your facts about Ted, I'm interested to know.
Okay you know I wasn't talking solely to you... There are several interviews where he talks about it. Google it. Here's an article
http://www.newshounds.us/2007/08/26...ft_dodger_will_hannity_keep_defending_him.php
It's definitely a biased site and article, but quotes are quotes
http://www.newshounds.us/2007/08/26...ft_dodger_will_hannity_keep_defending_him.php
It's definitely a biased site and article, but quotes are quotes
Ok now either he's a genious or he's a frikin wacko. Still believe draft dodgers should be shot.
This is a tough one for me. On one hand I think that if you're called upon by your country you go, with very few questions asked. On the other hand: Viet Nam was an effed up Police Action that I really can't blame anybody for not wanting to be a part of. Turning tail and leaving the country to avoid being called up is absolute chickenshit, but if someone could get a student deferment or had some sort of malady that kept them from being sent to that shit hole I don't hold that against them one bit. I don't want to take anything away from the guys that were there, but I don't think that someone should be classified as worthless if they used a legal means to avoid going over there.
That's my take on it. Flame on.
That's my take on it. Flame on.
To quote the Archer "Turning tail and leaving the country to avoid being called up is absolute chickenshit, but if someone could get a student deferment or had some sort of malady that kept them from being sent to that shit hole I don't hold that against them one bit. I don't want to take anything away from the guys that were there, but I don't think that someone should be classified as worthless if they used a legal means to avoid going over there."
You said it all right there....LEGAL MEANS......A guy that was in the country in school, or in the country with a valid reason not to be there was NOT a draft dodger...We are bashing the pieces of shit that actually slithered out of the country to avoid their patriotic duty. Anybody that was properly relieved of that duty has nothing to be ashamed of. My issue is with those that snuck out and those that abused the returning troops. I don't see anybody flaming you for one word of your post.
You said it all right there....LEGAL MEANS......A guy that was in the country in school, or in the country with a valid reason not to be there was NOT a draft dodger...We are bashing the pieces of shit that actually slithered out of the country to avoid their patriotic duty. Anybody that was properly relieved of that duty has nothing to be ashamed of. My issue is with those that snuck out and those that abused the returning troops. I don't see anybody flaming you for one word of your post.
Just out of basic in 66 I ran into a school friend in a bar in Detroit. He told me he was on leave and was planning on crossing the bridge to Canada. He said his MOS was infantry and was afraid he wouldn"t come back. I convinced him he would end up in a military prison. To make a long story short a few months after AIT he went to Nam and was killed. He was only 19 as was I, For over 40 years I have felt guilt. He died and here I am. Had he not listened to me he may have lived to be a old man too. The guys that crossed the border came back and I know of one that got a job with the help of the goverment!! I ETSed out of FT.Bragg and ran into another school friend getting out too. He did his tour in Nam and came out ok. By X-mas he was dead. Making out with his girlfriend in a garage they fell asleep. The engine was running in his car. I guess when it's time to check out ya can't do nothing about it. The thing is alot of poor guys went to Canada and the rich ones got college deferments. Which guys were worse? I respect the ones who served and the ones that are serving now. Everyone is a hero now days (in the military) but it wasn't always so. That's really a shame. Wrong place wrong time I guess. Spitting on a vet is really unforgivable no matter what war he served in. It did happen unfortunatly. I salute you who serve!!
Thats a tough one man.....I don't know if I could live that down.....you were right in what you said, but your friend died which sucks......Just out of basic in 66 I ran into a school friend in a bar in Detroit. He told me he was on leave and was planning on crossing the bridge to Canada. He said his MOS was infantry and was afraid he wouldn"t come back. I convinced him he would end up in a military prison. To make a long story short a few months after AIT he went to Nam and was killed. He was only 19 as was I, For over 40 years I have felt guilt. He died and here I am. Had he not listened to me he may have lived to be a old man too. The guys that crossed the border came back and I know of one that got a job with the help of the goverment!! I ETSed out of FT.Bragg and ran into another school friend getting out too. He did his tour in Nam and came out ok. By X-mas he was dead. Making out with his girlfriend in a garage they fell asleep. The engine was running in his car. I guess when it's time to check out ya can't do nothing about it. The thing is alot of poor guys went to Canada and the rich ones got college deferments. Which guys were worse? I respect the ones who served and the ones that are serving now. Everyone is a hero now days (in the military) but it wasn't always so. That's really a shame. Wrong place wrong time I guess. Spitting on a vet is really unforgivable no matter what war he served in. It did happen unfortunatly. I salute you who serve!!
The world was a different place then, as were anyone old enough to remember the draft. I thank God everyday that this country no longer drafts anyone. As for draft dodgers, I think that a good deal many of them regret their decision today. Reagan was right to grant them clemency in the 80's. It's the guys that never got over the 60's/70's that bug the crap out of me. The "I hate this country" bunch, I have no use for them. I don't care if anyone got out of the draft, a ton of people did, even if by just staying in college (my dad). Viet Nam us a screwed up war to begin with. I think its funny the Lefties run around pointing out every so called "Draft Dodger" they can ID, but would never consider putting any blame on JFK or LBJ for putting Soldiers, Marines, Airmen, and Sailors in a no win situation. Sure Nixon is an easy target, and to some extent, rightfully so, but it sacrilege to bad mouth a martyred President and his successor.
Forgive them and lets move on. Viet Nam Vets did thier duty, some more honorably than others. Civilians have to earn Honor some other way, many will never do it.
Forgive them and lets move on. Viet Nam Vets did thier duty, some more honorably than others. Civilians have to earn Honor some other way, many will never do it.
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