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I guess its a physics question I suppose... Say your drop shot rig consists of three knots: two at the swivel and the bottom one at your hook. When you got a fish on, won't a majority of the stress be placed at the hook knot and decreasing amounts at the knots further from the fish? Is this why I experience 90% of breakoffs at my hook?

What steps do you take to minimize that? I mean, is it beneficial to wrap your palomar knot line three times instead of two at the hook? There's been discussions regarding the effectiveness of palomar knots when using Fluorocarbon, but what about co-polymers that are fluoro coated?
 

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I don't use a swivel either. There is no point unless your using a fluoro leader to braid, but even then I'd bypass the swivel. My experience with light line and the drop shot is that all knots become weaker quicker. Just retie often...another reason not to use the swivel...better to retie one knot than three.
 

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If you get a break off at the knot, you are doing something wrong. First, don't use a swivel, like the others said. Second, learn how to use your drag. Unless your getting broke off when your hung up, even then, you should be loosing just your sinker, and get the rest of your rig back. If you are breaking off at the hook with a fish on, learn a new knot.
 

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If you get a break off at the knot, you are doing something wrong. First, don't use a swivel, like the others said. Second, learn how to use your drag. Unless your getting broke off when your hung up, even then, you should be loosing just your sinker, and get the rest of your rig back. If you are breaking off at the hook with a fish on, learn a new knot.
It really only happened one time, and I was pushing it after landing 8 or so fish. I hooked something that was probably too big to be a bass which took off and my drag was screaming. And I have less twist issues with a swivel. When a fish jumps a couple times and I'm not using a swivel usually my line near my hook us just completely tangled and twisted to the point its worthless and have to re-tie anyways. I've been using palomar knots for 10+ years, I have confidence that 99% I tie them correctly.
 

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If you like your set up and it only happened that one time...keep using it. 8 fish is a lot on light line, it was only a matter of time before it broke.
 

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If you like your set up and it only happened that one time...keep using it. 8 fish is a lot on light line, it was only a matter of time before it broke.
That's why I'm thinking, it was only 6lb test... I wanted to see how others tie off at the hook when dropshotting, because I'm sure palomars aren't AS effective with fluoro line. I might try what skeeter recommended, but then I'm gonna be tying 4 knots, or 2 without a swivel. Other things could have effected breaking off at the hook. My knot may not have failed, I could have had a small knick right near me knot and broke there. It just ticked me off when this guy tells me I need to learn how to tie knots.
 

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Retie more often... Simple as that!
 

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It's not a physics thing. It's the palomar knot, which is strong when the force is exerted on the main line, but weak when the force is on the tag line bent back like it is through the hook eye.

Tie the hook with a clinch knot or a uni-knot.
 

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It's not a physics thing. It's the palomar knot, which is strong when the force is exerted on the main line, but weak when the force is on the tag line bent back like it is through the hook eye.

Tie the hook with a clinch knot or a uni-knot.
Seems like that could be legit... But why does everybody (most everybody) say to tie your dropshot rig using the palomar on the hook?
 

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because it points the hook outwards and is easy
 
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