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Merc leaving Fon du lac for Oklahoma ??

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Here's a shocker. If they don't make a deal with the union I think I'd be a little worried about what kind of quality control issues pop up in the next couple of years.

O.C.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090823/ap_on_bi_ge/us_mercury_marine_3
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Might be a good thing that they are going to leave the union.. Also, 20 dollars an hour in Fon du lac Wi is pretty damn good so why are they bitching!! They can live very very comfortable there on that salary.
Merc

If the workers only get $20.00 an hour, why do the motors cost 10K to 15K.
Here's a shocker. If they don't make a deal with the union I think I'd be a little worried about what kind of quality control issues pop up in the next couple of years.

O.C.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090823/ap_on_bi_ge/us_mercury_marine_3


your worried about quality control from non unon workers vs union members?

do you know what quality control is and how it works in a shop? Quality control has nothing to do with union or non union employee's, if it did you would have more planes dropping from the sky everyday.

I can tell you this a non union shop will get more work done per shift than a union shop would anyday, as its not driven by politics. Non union shoprs are much more efficient than union shops again due to politics.


Delw



your worried about quality control from non unon workers vs union members?

do you know what quality control is and how it works in a shop? Quality control has nothing to do with union or non union employee's, if it did you would have more planes dropping from the sky everyday.

I can tell you this a non union shop will get more work done per shift than a union shop would anyday, as its not driven by politics. Non union shoprs are much more efficient than union shops again due to politics.


Delw

No,,, that's not what I meant. Merc says it will take a couple of years to make the move. In the meantime they will continue production at the Wisconsin plant. The workers at the Wisconsin plant will not be happy campers during that transition period and stuff happens. Not unlike what happened when OMC was on its last legs. That's what I meant.

As for the pros and cons of the move,, I think its a smart one by Merc Marine for a whole lot of reasons,, better location for distribution, etc.

O.C.
your worried about quality control from non unon workers vs union members?

do you know what quality control is and how it works in a shop? Quality control has nothing to do with union or non union employee's, if it did you would have more planes dropping from the sky everyday.

I can tell you this a non union shop will get more work done per shift than a union shop would anyday, as its not driven by politics. Non union shoprs are much more efficient than union shops again due to politics.


Delw
Plus they have a GREAT facility in Stillwater and those folks there would be more than happy to take on the extra work and do an excellent job at it. I have no worries, even if it is Oklahoma. :)
your worried about quality control from non unon workers vs union members?

do you know what quality control is and how it works in a shop? Quality control has nothing to do with union or non union employee's, if it did you would have more planes dropping from the sky everyday.

I can tell you this a non union shop will get more work done per shift than a union shop would anyday, as its not driven by politics. Non union shoprs are much more efficient than union shops again due to politics.


Delw
+1 My father worked in that factory as a maintenance mechanic for 25 years and was a dedicated employee. He'd work 6 days a week and even make rounds on Sunday to make sure things were ready for monday. He never had anything good to say about the union. His main complaint was that you couldn't rid of any of the idiots, and when there was a layoff, alot of good employess would be let go and the idiots with seniority were still there.
I worked in the automated wharehouse one summer on the night shift, with four other college students. We were not well liked by alot of the employess, because we showed how little work most of them did. The four of us were the top producing parts pickers within the first week. I remember two us getting bitched at by an old guy because we packed a bin of cranhshafts in 3 hours that "should" have taken us at least an entire shift.
That's why motors cost 10 - 15k.
I just love all you non union dorks.: Jerk-it: Jerk-it: Jerk-it: Jerk-it
U. S. MILITARY=Biggest Union in the world!!!
I just love all you non union dorks.: Jerk-it: Jerk-it: Jerk-it: Jerk-it
+1
I have worked and managed for union & non union companies. If you investigate the history of the unions, you would support them to one degree or another. Sure there are bad union shops, but before unions there were no paid vacations, job security, and health care provided by employers. All shops were similar to working construction in Arizona Home building.
I have worked and managed for union & non union companies. If you investigate the history of the unions, you would support them to one degree or another. Sure there are bad union shops, but before unions there were no paid vacations, job security, and health care provided by employers. All shops were similar to working construction in Arizona Home building.
I dont understand why people think it is their right to have paid vacations and healthcare provided by employers, it is bullshit. If you are not working why the hell should you get paid? And what does an employer have to do with healthcare, do you think they should provide homeowners and auto as well? : Jerk-it
If the workers only get $20.00 an hour, why do the motors cost 10K to 15K.
I am betting most make more than $20 bucks and hour, 15-20 bucks an hour is non union cnc machine operator pay in right to work states.

the reason the motors cost more is for a few things.

less demand makes over head way high. lets say I need 10 different machines to complete that motor at a cost of 1 million and you can run up to 100 motors a day. but do to low demand you only need to run 1 motor a day
its still costing you 1 million wether you run 1 or 100, obviously your profit will be higher running 100 per day than one and your cost per motor will be less then running only 1 You still have standard daily operating cost.

Kinda like when you goto machine shop and want one part vs 100 parts. one part your going to have to charge for set up time lets say 500 bucks, when you order more your setup time is divided into the amount of parts you buy. so now your set up time is divided by the amoun amount of parts ei $5 each + plus the cost of run time etc etc

you have the advancement in techonology, smarter more reliable , more fuel efficient motors than years back.




No,,, that's not what I meant. Merc says it will take a couple of years to make the move. In the meantime they will continue production at the Wisconsin plant. The workers at the Wisconsin plant will not be happy campers during that transition period and stuff happens. Not unlike what happened when OMC was on its last legs. That's what I meant.

As for the pros and cons of the move,, I think its a smart one by Merc Marine for a whole lot of reasons,, better location for distribution, etc.

O.C.
OK that makes more sence however it more than likely wont happen.
the quality standards will still be there, quality wont go down because of one shop moving to a different location.
what will more than likely happen is that production will be a tad off, usually cause the workers have nothing to really work for so to speak so they dont give a rats ass if they get there job done on time or not. I mean what are they going to do fire them? ;)
Happens anytime a shop is selling out or moving. Most shops know this so they have already allowed for it I am sure.



I just love all you non union dorks.: Jerk-it: Jerk-it: Jerk-it: Jerk-it
Now Ken, I never said anythign bad about the union in this case just the fact that it wont screw up quality.

I have worked and managed for union & non union companies. If you investigate the history of the unions, you would support them to one degree or another. Sure there are bad union shops, but before unions there were no paid vacations, job security, and health care provided by employers. All shops were similar to working construction in Arizona Home building.
So your saying construction jobs in the arizona home building sector is what Shit ? demeaning?
Maybe the union can come in and take over home building and construction jack the prices way the hell up and sell house for 5 times the price they are now. Wanna bet you would be complaining about the union at that time.

if your trying to compare a union job to something you might want to try the government, MORE WASTE , MORE POLITICS MORE BULLSHIT.
Kinda sucks when you have to work for a lving doesnt it ? ;)

sure everyone would love a job were they dont have to work as hard , get all the benies that the goverenment has and still get paid huge wages, but its not a reality well at least not Yet, once Obama gets his socialism agenda together you will have everything that everyone else has, I think they are calling it "Change".

Just be thankful Merc didnt sell out the the ****ing chinese like everyone else is doing, they could have cut cost alot easy by 75% in the manufacturing section alone. Wasnt it the Unions that wouldnt budge so the auto manufacturers started doing business with ****ING CHINA .

thats another bad thing about the unions, they have a prce which is usually extreamly HIGH and they wont budge. however others in manufacturing have to budge if we dont the shits goes to ****ing china, india and every other pour pitiful country that has NO quality control, NO standards NO EPA to deal with and finally no WHINY ASS EMPLOYEES crying about this aint fair and that aint fair, cause if they whine they just take them out and shoot them, hey maybe we shoudl bring that back to the US ;)


Sorry Ken I had too after the last post ;)



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U. S. MILITARY=Biggest Union in the world!!!
I was coming back from lunch today and saw 4 people standing under a "Shame on Coca Cola" banner......apparrently on strike......

My point? I've never seen or heard of the US Military going on strike.

Unions have both good and bad aspects, but one thing that strikes me as interesting is the "I am entitled to" attitude many union workers share with welfare recipients.
Those are the union types that need to go.....now you union guys on this board may not fall into that category but I have no use for those that do.
Guess what. The Chinese are on their way and you just might end up working for them. My Fastenal rep said his biggest supplier is a huge Chinese conglomerate. Said they just bought a 200000 square foot plant in Idaho on 200 acres and gutted it to leave it empty. My commercial RE guy said he is seeing Chinese buying up a lot of commercial buildings in AZ and they don't even try to rent them out. The Fastenal guy said his buddies don't want their profits going back to China due to high tax rates so they are planning to invest $40 billion in US properties. Smart people. The government debt is soon to be 75% of our total annual GDP so they buy up our land and buildings to protect against a devalued dollar. On the radio yesterday they said the Chinese were planning to start manufacturing products here in the US. They will probably love the unions and pay top wages. Maybe not. Might have a Chinese Merc made in the USA.
Union killed Chrystler. How the hell can anyone justify paying an automotive factory line worker over $100,000 per year, and guarentee medical benefits if you have to lay em off..... Unions only drive up the cost of labor. We are so well on our way as an american society that you don't need a union to protect yourself from your employer. It was needed during the Industrial Revolution where exploitation was apparent, but most companies now know if they treat workers like shit they will end up getting sued. Union Labor has cost us more American jobs then it has saved. When cost of goods produced in the US is greater then goods can be imported from China, guess what.... we as consumers will buy imported goods. Chinese Labor is where we were as a country 100 years ago, those poor workers need some type of protection without exploitation.

This is a good move on Mercury's part, more power to em....
So do they have a new "Lake X" in Oklahoma?
I wish I could find the video, it was posted here last year sometime.
it showed about 10-20 chinese guys sitting under a huge punch press making parts.
NO safety what so ever. Osha would shit bricks.
some of the guys were taller than4 feet so when the press came down they had to duck.

Brian I am sure you seen the video, i thought it was you who posted it, it could have been jasonR



Delw, it wasn't me, but I'd like to see it....maybe someone can dig it up.
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