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The
U.S. Post Service was
established in 1775 - they've had 234 years
to get it right; it is
broke, and even though heavily subsidized, it
can't compete with
private sector FedEx and UPS services.

Social
Security was
established in 1935 - they've had 74 years to get
it right; it is
broke.

Fannie
Mae was
established in 1938 - they've had 71 years to get it
right; it is
broke. Freddie
Mac was
established in 1970 - they've had
39 years to get it right; it is
broke. Together Fannie and Freddie have
now led the entire world into
the worst economic collapse in 80 years.

The
War on Poverty was
started in 1964 - they've had 45 years to get it
right; $1 trillion of
our hard earned money is confiscated each year
and transferred to "the
poor"; it hasn't worked.

Medicare
and Medicaid were
established in 1965 - they've had 44 years
to get it right; they are
both broke; and now our government dares
to mention them as models for
all US health care.

AMTRAK
was
established in 1970 - they've had 39 years to get it right;
last year
they bailed it out as it continues to run at a loss!

This year, a
trillion dollars was committed in the massive political
payoff called
the
Stimulus Bill of 2009;
it shows NO sign of working;
it's been used to increase the size
of governments across America , and
raise government salaries while
the rest of us suffer from
economic hardships. It has yet to create a single
new private sector job. Our
national debt projections (approaching $10
trillion) have increased
400% in the last six
months.


"Cash for Clunkers" was
established in 2009 and went broke in 2009 - -
after 80% of the cars
purchased turned out to be produced by foreign
companies, and dealers
nationwide are buried under bureaucratic
paperwork demanded by a
government that is not yet paying them what was

promised.

So with a perfect 100% failure rate and a record that
proves that each
and every "service" shoved down our throats by
an over-reaching
government turns into disaster, how could any
informed American trust
our government to run or even set policies for
America's health care
system - - 17% of our
economy?

Maybe each of us has a personal responsibility to
let others in on this
brilliant record before 2010, and then help
remove from office those
who are voting to destroy capitalism and
destroy our grandchildren's
future.





I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent
the
government from wasting the labours of the people under the
pretense of
taking care of
them.



-- Thomas Jefferson
 

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Big goverment doesn't work. Obama want's to take over 20% of the economy with health care...
 

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OK Bush blew half of the $1 Trillion dollars with out any oversight, Obama spent the other half with an oversight committee in place, Obama is proposing health care reform but it hasn't passed, oh and by the way EVERY president in the past 29 years has promised health care reform.

So Obama is responsible for half of one of the 9 things you listed, and potentially one more. So why not title it Gov't again, or no more Gov't, or......?????

I am not for big Gov't, BUT something has to be done about getting affordable medical. I am not saying that Doctors shouldn't get paid good money, nor am I saying that Medical firms shouldn't get paid for breakthrough medicine, but when I go to the hospital and 2 tylenol cost me 10 FUKING DOLLARS, you are out of your fuking mind if you think that is right or fair, x-rays cost $200-300, band aid's cost $5.00, etc.....
 

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obama angain...

Perhaps you should learn how to spell before you cut and paste such deep, philosophical thoughts. I do agree with them, however it just has more credibility if a simple word like "again" was spelled correctly.
 

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OK Bush blew half of the $1 Trillion dollars with out any oversight, Obama spent the other half with an oversight committee in place, Obama is proposing health care reform but it hasn't passed, oh and by the way EVERY president in the past 29 years has promised health care reform.

So Obama is responsible for half of one of the 9 things you listed, and potentially one more. So why not title it Gov't again, or no more Gov't, or......?????

I am not for big Gov't, BUT something has to be done about getting affordable medical. I am not saying that Doctors shouldn't get paid good money, nor am I saying that Medical firms shouldn't get paid for breakthrough medicine, but when I go to the hospital and 2 tylenol cost me 10 FUKING DOLLARS, you are out of your fuking mind if you think that is right or fair, x-rays cost $200-300, band aid's cost $5.00, etc.....


You are correct Bush blew the first half of the Trillion and Obama blew the other half and got another and is thinking of requesting another.

If they were serious about reforming Health care why not do this, take the rest of the Stimulus money and fund Medicare/Medicaid which are already in place. Along those lines if you want lower medical bills ask the president to stop frivolouos (Sp) lawsuit so the Dr's don't have to pay such huge amounts for malpractice insurance. If that was in this Health Reform then it would lower cost, but reasonable thinking is not in this health reform.
 

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I am not for big Gov't, BUT something has to be done about getting affordable medical. .....
I get paid to solve problems. Unless I get lucky, my solutions are generally less expensive, more effective, more efficient, and more elegant based on how well defined the problem is. Whenever a major problem is tackled, it needs a well written problem statement then a plan of how to solve the problem and finally a means of actually gauging how well the solution performed.

You seem to be on the "Healthcare is broken" bandwagon, so maybe YOU can answer this question. WHAT IS BROKEN? Don't tell me that "it costs too much"...that's a sympton, not the cause.

If politicians used a practical approach to solving a problem, I'd have some respect for their methods, but all they ever seem to want is $$. Throw money at it.....grab up big wads and throw it as hard as you can.....

Has anyone in politics sat down and mapped out the system, boiled down the details to only the imporant ones, and analyzed where the problems begin to snowball?

I believe politicians have not done so. The question then becomes why? I believe the reason is because the answer they'll find will not support their agenda.

Their agenda is a subject in itself and very controversial. I'm not prepared to go there.

So tell me, what's broken and why won't the politicians present a clear problem statement and a clear plan to solve it?
 

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Has anyone in politics sat down and mapped out the system, boiled down the details to only the imporant ones, and analyzed where the problems begin to snowball?
Totally agree,

Take a serious look at how the government runs the VA Hospitals and we are looking towards them to "FIX" the healthcare systems. The government canot even keep this portion of the system running and they want to fix everything.

I'd like to understand who these millions of people without health care are. Are we talking about elderly people, are we talking about people on welfare, are we talking about people who just recently lost their jobs, are we talking about people who decided to run their own business and need a cheaper solution.
 

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Totally agree,

Take a serious look at how the government runs the VA Hospitals and we are looking towards them to "FIX" the healthcare systems. The government canot even keep this portion of the system running and they want to fix everything.

I'd like to understand who these millions of people without health care are. Are we talking about elderly people, are we talking about people on welfare, are we talking about people who just recently lost their jobs, are we talking about people who decided to run their own business and need a cheaper solution.
This is a great point. All the liberal liars keep spouting about the 47 million "Americans" without health coverage. Here is the real breakdown.

12 million are illegal aliens, who should not get SHIT.

15 million are people between the ages of 18-27 who think they are invincible and CHOOSE not to buy health insurance.

10 million are people making $75k per year or more, but CHOOSE not to buy health insurance.

That leaves us with only 10 million people who want & need health insurance but can not get it. They either can not afford it, or can not qualify.

So why in the hell should we bankrupt the country to radically change 325 million people's coverage to correct an issue that only affects 3% of the popluation?

Because liberals want the government to control everything=SOCIALISM.
 

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"You are correct Bush blew the first half of the Trillion and Obama blew the other half and got another and is thinking of requesting another."

HE DID, HE IS???? I never heard that one!!!!!!!!
 

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"You seem to be on the "Healthcare is broken" bandwagon, so maybe YOU can answer this question. WHAT IS BROKEN? Don't tell me that "it costs too much"...that's a sympton, not the cause."

Did I say it was broken? NO!
Did I say it was too expensive? YES!

What part of that do you not understand?

If people can not afford to have medical treatment because it is too expensive, that is a problem.

Now mister problem solver, figure out a way to make medical care affordable for people.
 

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"I'd like to understand who these millions of people without health care are.
Are we talking about elderly people - YES,
are we talking about people on welfare - YES,
are we talking about people who just recently lost their jobs - YES,
are we talking about people who decided to run their own business and need a cheaper solution - YES."
 

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15 million are people between the ages of 18-27 who think they are invincible and CHOOSE not to buy health insurance.

Did you buy your own health insurance when you were 18, 19, etc.... ?
 

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You know I have done some research, I after looking into alot of things, I think everyone should be required to have health insurance, kinda like car insurance...

So what happens when someone w/ no health insurance gets hurt? Does the hospital deny them treatment? NO-They go to hospital and get treated. Then they get a bill for like 50K.....do you guys think these people pay those bills? No...not really......this is one of the reasons why our insurance rates are so high in the first place....then in the end the taxpayer ends up covering it...

Thier will be no goverement health care system....Dems+Republicans have been talking about using the "threat" of a goverment health care to get them to change thier practices....

Basstrix my mother is a audit agent for Aetna.....trust me healthcare is broke, alot of folks are just immune to it because it doesn't affect them...kinda like illegals getting free health care, but you pay out the ass for it.....thier is a major problem when people chose not to have insurance, then get hurt, and the hospital eats the cost...



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Yes Franklin, the ticket would be to require everyone to have insurance, yet there would still be people that don't have or won't get insurance.

Another reason why insurance rates are high, is because hospitals jack up the price on everything, so the insurance companies have to make that back some how.

I am not saying I know what the solution is, or how to fix it, but I feel that if hospital bills were not so high, and medical insurance was not so high, well that might be a step in the right direction
 
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