Ya, I remember takein 2-3 hrs to get to the lake, and that was from 40th st and Shea, and horseshoe had water with fish in it. And the last stop was always the old General store on the corner of Pima and Pinical Peak, then it was a old wooden bldg that sold bait,ammo,gas, and just a few goodies, that was all. Cool old store. I hate what they did to it, it was like a Az. landmark.The dirt road started at the turnoff from Carefree hywy.