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I love the boat ramps, seeing the idiots there makes me appreciate the quality of the people of MMBC. 4 guys had a pick up truck backed up to the water, couldn't even back the truck up so that it only used one spot. They pulled out a small aluminum boat, unloaded all their crap on the ramp and took up 2+ spots doing that, Dorks. It was at least 20 minutes before they finally had all their crap in the boat. They finally got the boat tied to the dock, Mrs S. launched me and we be gone :D. I wonder if these people ever watch anyone that knows how to launch a boat. Maybe they aren't going to enjoy fishing, they just enjoy the launch process and make it last as long as possible :?: Spidey
 

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Boat Launching

I know I have a hell of a time launching my boat. I have a deckboat and you can't see over or around it as you try to backup.

I prefer launching at Canyon at the Palo Verde site because you can back straight down to the water and they have lines painted to help see where the heck you are going.

I've often wondered why Sag doesn't have painted lines.

Especially since launch ramp #2 is designed in a dog-leg and the ramp drops down so it is hard to see much in my mirrors.

How much could it cost to have painted lines to guide on with your side mirrors. I can see those and where my trailier wheels are in relation to the lines.

It would make life so much easier and help a lot with the launching follies if they simply had painted guide lines.. :idea:
 

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Painted lines

They seem to stay at Palo Verde.

I thought the same thing though, that they would soon be worn off, then I realized they have lines painted on the freeways and they last a long long time.

Sure they might need to be repainted a couple of times a year, but a bit of paint couldn't cost that darn much.

I'm familiar with the expansion joints between lanes. The painted lines should begin on those joints and then extend up onto the pavement clear to the curb across the lot.

Then people could line their truck and trailer up and back up following those lines in their side mirrors -- watching the tires on their boat trailer and they would go right into the ramp slot with no problem at all.. I would even volunteer to help paint the lines.
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ol' Bill? Yer suggestion makes too damn much sense fercripesakes! Them there govment fellas don't like citizens showin' them up so's it ain't gonna happen. But I'll tell ya what, the problem ain't with folk like you whose seem ta know what there doin'. No sirree, the problem is with them there idiots who couldn't back a tiny trailer inta a american west hanger tryin' to launch at saguaro!! We gotta keep 'em out I tell ya. So let's us make it harder for 'em. Yah, make it so's they gotta go ta Pleasant or sumthin'. Make it so's ramp #1's gotta turn in it too and I say make it a friggin' obstacle course. Put concrete dividers between the ramp lanes, big thick ones too. An while we're at it, fercripesakes, lets make it so's only bass boats kin park on the lower levels and them pwc's kin only park at the top of the damn hill!
 
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if you need lines or grooves to back up your boat trailer strait then you need to practice in a parking lot before you even go to the lake.
 

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Hey Sourpuss ,How about putting some mines on the line? that way if you cross into another lane you wont have to worry about backing THAT trailer again! lol
 

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Yah, but then how's you gonna launch fercripesakes?
 
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Instead of complaining about improper ramp procedures, try explaining some of the etiquette proceders to the quilty ones. I'm sure you all made mistakes the first few times you decided to back your boats up. It's only a rare occasion when some fool will pull a gun (ken/bayou) on you. I've found most boaters sane enough to take advice. I guess the only time not to complain is when there is a boat load of young ladies in G-srings, then they can take all the time they want.
 

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I'm with 2Dogs. Go tell them where they are going wrong. And be nice about it!

If they get snitty, then let them have it.

It is nonsense to load the boat while sitting on the ramp. That drives me crazy! I go tell them to pull off and finish, then get back in line. Nicely.
 

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Been there, done that! I have even backed trailers down for folks,It is still fun to Rag about it though. the only time I have had a problem backing a trailer was when I was helping some folks with a pwc trailer and I did not do much better than they did!alot of times these are not new boaters they just feel that they need 2 lanes for themselves which if they have already prepped the boat is not a problem. It's the guy's that park on the ramp to make ready that get irritating and hold up everyone else.If someone needs help on the ramp I am more than willing to help them out as are many other of the"complainers" I have seen helping those that need or want it.
 
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Lane lines

Let's have a painting party early some monday morning. LMBO Rich [/url]
 

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Painting Party, I'm all for it.

I wonder if there is a way that we can volunteer our services and paint lines there. I am sure there are probably certain paints that must be used. I would be willing to donate to this project.
Anybody else?
 
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By painting lines on a public facility you are insinuating there is a law jurisdiction for vehicular traffic control that is enforced by law enforcement. Every line that is painted in public roadways means some form of traffic control that has specific laws applied to it. If the ramp is concrete it will require sandblasting and a curing compound. The paint is a special thermoplastic paint mixed with glass beads for reflective purposes. Regular paint will wear off within a week. Painted lines usually do not "STOP" people from crossing them. 4" Double Yellow, 8" White gore lines, Solid lines mean they are not to be crossed. Also what width are you going to paint between lines. Usually traveled way distance between lines is 14 feet. I would check into with the sheriffs department prior to just going out and painting a stripe.
 

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Please don't make this overly complicated. First of all the sheriff's department has probably never been down to ramp #2 so we don't expect any law enforcement on these stripes. Secondly, the expansion joints in the ramp will determine the width as the lanes are already defined. Third, spidey already said we'd probably need special paint. And finally, these are guidelines to help back down not keep people from crossing them. That was the whole point.
 

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SpiderMan. To paint lines on concrete or asphalt you have to heat the concrete up to take away all moisture then apply the paint.

Being concrete is porus and this is on a boat ramp I highly doubt it can be done with the water levels and the boat traffic. I would probally guess they would have to keep the water level way way down for a week and keep everyone off of it until it dries.

On another note . The paint would probally hold up I have noticed that on some of the underwater roads in lake pleasant there is still yellow lines on them.


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Ramp Cramp

Here is a thought :idea: . The MMBC could volunteer to work the ramps. Get us a blaze orange vest so we would look cool and maybe be noticed. I want a badge too. We could be called RV'S, Ramp Valet's. I have already backed in a few trailers for other people, helped people get their boat on trailers, etc. Why not dress the part. Since MMBC isn't an organization, there is nobody to sue. If we would have an accident, no one to blame but the owner of the boat. Only an idiot would let a stranger hop into their vehicle. At this ramp, business would be good, plenty of idiots.
 
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You missed the point totally. You are making it complicated with stripes. If this is on a public facilty with striped lines there is law enforcement jurisdiction.

Example: Billy bass fisherman is backing down his boat. He sideswipes another boat or vehichle. The other vehichle has its wheelpath over the white line or yellow whichever you decide to paint it and then an arguement pursues. The sheriffs department becomes involvled and and a traffic accident investigation ensues. The person over the line is at fault and a ticket will be issued.

Next expansion joints don't mean squat. Expansion joints are a function of the concrete slab, thickeness, and intentional use. Expansion joint spacing is recomended by a geotechical engineer not width for boats and vehichles. If the expansion joints are at 9 feet spacing OC that means the lanes are substandard in width. Billy Bass fisherman gets sideswiped and hires a lawyer. Lawyer reads the MUTCD ( Manual on Uniform Traffic Control)
and discovers substandard painted lines. Lawsuit for the sheriifs department.

Bottom line instead of more controls, law enforment, and restrictions how about educating these folks you are having such problems with.
 

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