Ya know Jim ,da did that for me one day as well, first he came over to show me about a 4 or 5 lb lm and said you oughta come over with me and I said That I was going to keep trying where I was for awhile. 10 minutes later he was back with two 3 to 4lb bass ,Then I followed him to his spot! and managed to lose 2 or three fish and got laughed at by him and Ken, then got a lesson on what a decent pole could do for you and was loaned one on the spot and managed to land a couple though I was still given a hard time about my water ski fish retrieve! which by the way I no longer use.If I did not thank you that day Denny I am doing so now..THANKS